[Music] Hello everyone. Thank you for joining me for another episode of the Plant-Free MD podcast. I’m your host, Dr. Anthony Chaffy, and today I have a very special guest, uh, Nita Breeze, who is host of the Ketogenic Woman YouTube channel. An Nita, thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate it. You are so welcome. It’s an honor to be here. I’m I’m I’m very happy to to be here, actually. Well, thank you. I’m glad I’m glad you’re here, too. Um, so for people who haven’t come across you or your channel before, can you tell us a bit about yourself and what you do and what your channel’s about? Yeah. Yes. Okay. I I will do that. So, I have been well, I’ve been I have to say I’ve been on a weight loss journey my entire life. Uh, I started, uh, I think my first time I ever went to, you know, tried to lose weight, I was 12 when my mom, uh, dragged me into a Weight Watchers meeting. And, uh, that that started my whole dieting career. I I was, you know, born chubby. I was a chubby little toddler, chubby kid in school. When I was in high school, um, I I was, you know, size 18, 20. I I I I didn’t I didn’t fit in. Not only uh sizewise, but I always just felt like an outsider and just didn’t understand why everyone else was thin and and I was overweight. Uh it was just, you know, just kind of set the theme for my life, I guess. and uh just kind of went that way through my whole life, just trying one thing after another, following along with my mom who also was trying one thing after another. She struggled with the same uh up and down weight issues as I did and and never really knowing that it was about the types of foods that I was eating that we were eating as a family. Um, you know, my mom actually different from me. She grew up thin. I I look at pictures of her. She was, you know, a slender, beautiful woman. And when she but she was from another country and she immigrated here in the 1950s. Um, adopted the western lifestyle. Uh, her doctor uh, I mean she came from a farming family like they were farmers. They grew their own food. Uh you know they grew vegetables of course as well, but they also had um uh you know livestock. Everything they ate was something that they produced or grew themselves and they worked the land and and that that was how they lived. But then they came here and adopted the the western lifestyle and her own doctor told her, advised her, you know, stop eating that butter. It’s it’s full of cholesterol. It’s full of bad things. You’re going to, you know, have a heart attack. Uh she was encouraged to eat um you know to to switch the butter out for misola oil, that kind of thing. I know. And uh you know she she became the crusader of the family. Um you know stop eating the saturated fats and and you know all everybody’s got all these um everybody in our family has uh um you know she was she was starting to sort of um hone in on the fact that all of our farming relatives were eating pigs and cows and all these things that were bad for them. Like she just was really convinced. She went on a low-fat crusade and uh yeah, that didn’t uh that that didn’t sit well with my my physiology and I her and I both got bigger and bigger and uh you know didn’t know why and and it took it took a long time to figure out well we were doing the exact opposite of what we should be doing and uh so yeah here here we are. uh you know, she she was always about 150 lbs overweight and so was I. I’ve actually lost 150 lbs at this point. I still have um about 30 more that I would like to lose and I’m working on it. But uh it wasn’t uh until I discovered low carb eating through Dr. Atkins back in the 70s uh that I started to put some pieces together and uh I guess about 15 years ago I decided okay I’m I’m going to do this low carb thing again. That was the only thing that ever worked for me. I was about 320 lbs at that point and I I started uh just cutting carbs and uh started with that and uh now I do carnivore. U but it it was a gradual process to to get here and uh you know Yeah. Oh yeah. Well that’s kind of the story. Well it’s a great story and I’m I’m really glad to hear that you you’ve sort of come full circle on that. Um so obviously Okay. So the impetus was was Atkins and that sort of introduced that sort of idea to you. Um, so h how long did you do Atkins or ketogenic sort of approaches and how did that go for you and then what made you switch to like full carnivore and what was the difference between those two? Okay. Yeah. So, so, so back in the 70s I I saw an article. Well, my mom actually, you know, she bought Women’s World saw an article Dr. Atkins, you know, the the whole low carb thing. and we both tried it and we both did well and uh but then we didn’t know why we were doing it. We didn’t know uh you know what what the science was anything like that. It was to me it was just another diet but it worked it worked well and I kind I left that but then later after a few more failures I kept remembering well gee you know that was the one that I feel like I did the best on. So when I, you know, about 15 years ago, I decided, okay, this is it. I I was 50. Uh yeah, I’m 67. So it’s actually probably a little more than 15 years ago cuz I’m 67 now. Um but I decided that uh that this this was it. Like I was not going to, you know, go through uh menopause and all all those things that you go through so overweight. And so I went back to Atkins. I even still I still have the the same book on my shelf, you know, the the old uh diet revolution. I went back to that and and then I started uh by then, you know, we had the internet and and so I started looking into um low carb recipes and from there on the internet I found keto and that was a new term to me and I started looking into that. Uh, I I found Kelly Hogan at some point. I was doing keto and I found her and I thought, “No, that is just how can anyone just eat meat that made, you know, it it just went against everything.” I thought it was way too out there. Uh, you need to you have to have fiber, right? Like we it’s a it’s it’s an essential nutrient. I was, you know, convinced of that. And um but the seed was planted and so I went I went back to keto and and my issues on keto for me were that I was still um I was I was still overeing particular foods like nuts and I was making keto treats and I you know there’s things that are allowed on keto. you can have fruits, uh things like that, but those were the foods that were causing me the most problems. So, uh I I you know, I can’t take an ounce of macadamia nuts. I love macadamia nuts, but an ounce is just not going to happen. I will eat the entire bag. And same same with, you know, the fruit. Um, I can’t do the/4 cup so that you get the allotted carbs. Like, that just didn’t work for me. I I needed to do something where I could just eat until I was full and walk away. Most of those foods didn’t do that for me. They triggered something in me. And and I didn’t know that at the time that that that was what it was. Um, you know, I just I just thought I always thought it was me. there’s something wrong with me. Like, I can’t, you know, I I I I can’t do this. It’s just going it’s just too hard. Um I’m a fail. You know, all those things that people like me go through. Uh I But when I tried the meat, it was like you stop. You can only eat so much steak. You can only eat so much pork. Um and and then your body says stop. I I my body doesn’t say stop when it comes to things like fruit and and nuts and treats um and and of course high carb processed foods, ultrarocessed foods. My body doesn’t have that stop signal that it has with meat. And so the carnivore, it just kept coming back. I kept running in, you know, at first I had found Kelly and and then, you know, uh didn’t look at her anymore. Um and then I slowly started finding other people who were doing it. And it just made more and more sense to me after a while. And I did a few 30-day challenges. There was people that I knew who were dabbling in carnivore, and every now and then they would say, “Hey, let’s do a 30-day meat only challenge.” And I always enjoyed it. It was it was so easy, but I was still drawn back to those other foods because they were more enticing. And um you know, eventually I I got the idea, okay, this this is like being addicted to something. This is, you know, I’m getting some kind of a dopamine hit. And um you know eventually I figured out that okay I I’m addicted to this stuff and uh I just need to focus on the meat and so that’s what I’m doing. Yeah. Well that’s very good. And so how are you doing? Well obviously from a weight perspective you’ve lost a significant amount of weight. Um did that did that continue or improve by going carnivore or? Yeah. So, I had actually, you know, I did lose weight, of course, doing the low carbs and I did lose weight on keto, but I got stuck at around I had lost um 80 to 100 lbs and and I kind of got stuck in that area. I couldn’t, you know, I was still eating the nuts. I was still eating the the keto treats. Uh you know, still still doing that. Um around that time uh that that was in 2017 uh was when my dad passed away and and he um you know I I really took that hard and I um I I gained back some of the weight and I became the caregiver for my mother who had uh dementia and Alzheimer’s. I’m so sorry. and yeah, you know, so that that was a tough few years, but it really got me in tune with my why because she herself was over 100 pounds overweight and I took um a course on Alzheimer’s and dementia through my local Alzheimer’s society and there I learned a lot I didn’t know about that disease and how actually for some for many of them it’s mostly preventable. Uh, you know, I was taught that it was um, you know, she had vascular dementia. So, it it’s like, uh, the things that are good for your your heart are also really good for your brain and and vice versa. Things that are bad for your heart are bad for your brain. and and her, you know, her love of maza oil, everything fried in maza oil and her love of sweets and all the things that made her 150 lbs overweight were the same things that made me 150 lbs overweight. And I saw my future for, you know, for the first time I clearly thought and, you know, saw this is where I’m going to be. this is where I’m going to be in 10, 20 years if if I don’t make a change, you know, I’m following in her footsteps. And the the more she struggled, the more I actually was able to um get back on the right track. I you know, I had I had gained about 40 lbs back when when my dad uh passed. Um, you know, I I was uh I was very stressed out and emotional and still still addicted to to those foods. But as she struggled and I mean she basically showed me how to h how to get back on track. Um, so it it was it was it was awful, but it was good at the same time because I I I learned so much from that experience. And and uh my why is very clear. I I don’t want my kids to have to go through what I went through with her. And and I just feel that um you know that whole experience I I just I just really got in touch with a very strong why and and that’s that keeps me going. It it’s something that I have written down. It’s something that I review a lot. It’s something that I think about a lot. I think for someone like me who has been addicted for so long uh to to those things, I I I I feel like um it’s not always as simple as just just eating the meat. I have to do a lot of work in my head as well. and and I I you know I just I just feel that um that that helped me to like taking care of her was difficult but it was also very rewarding and and I you know I will always love her for that. She’s she is gone now. Um but I will always love her for show showing me the way even though she had no idea she was showing me the way. She she bered me uh you know until her dying day about having butter. That was one of the things we used to uh, you know, have our little arguments about. Like she was convinced that because I ate butter, I was going to the grave and and she always wanted me to make her uh to fry her fish in in misola oil. And I would nod and say, “Yeah, mom, I made it in misola oil. Isn’t it good?” But I had actually fried it in butter for her. Yeah. Thank God. Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah. But but yeah, so that that’s kind of what really solidified my path. I did lose I I not only lost the 40 that I regained, but I continue to lose more till I I you know, I’m now at that kind of 150 lb point and uh working on the rest of it. Yeah. Well, that’s fantastic. Um any just sort of a brief aside on that the the brain needs certain nutrients and those those nutrients do not come from mazol oil. They just don’t they’re not out present but butter does have a lot of these things you know and and meat has the rest. So you know B12 is required for proper mileination of the brain or you’ll get demalination of the brain you can get brain atrophy and people say well this is normal age related brain atrophy you know as the brain shrinks over time but it’s it’s not actually that I don’t I don’t think that’s normal I don’t think it’s normal for the brain to rot out of your head we don’t see this any any other form of life on earth we just don’t and um we call it normal because we see it so often but what I think it is is it’s It’s malnutrition over time. You Oxford Oxford University published a paper in 2008 that showed if your B12 levels in American numbers were under sort of 650 700 which is a large majority of that range where people think that they’re normal in but below that range people’s brains are actually shrinking by 2 and a half% every 5 years and under 50 or so people’s brains are shrinking by 5.5% over 5 years. So that’s 1.1% per year. and the reference range goes down to 150 200. So that is such a significant deficiency that the you’re actually getting brain damage and you’re seeing thinning of the spinal cord, you’re seeing atrophy of the brain. And if you’re if you’re estimating 1.1% volume loss per year, you go from a 40-year-old brain, 30 years later you’re losing 30% of your brain. That is what you’re going to see is normal age- related atrophy. So that’s not that’s not age related, that’s nutrition related. And we see this in in children. You know, there’s children of vegans and vegetarians typically will get significant B12 or can get significant B12 uh deficiencies because this doesn’t come from plants. And so if they’re not if they’re not supplementing properly, even if the mother who’s breastfeeding isn’t supplementing properly, so her levels aren’t enough, that’s not going to translate into the breast milk properly. And you’ll get B. You look it up online. You know, people can look this up. It’s one of the first images that pops up on Google B12, you know, scans of MRI brain of um baby with B12 deficiency. It shows up a six-month old baby, children of of vegetarian parents. Wow. 6 months old, you’re breastfeeding, right? And um because formula has B12 fortified in it, right? So, it’s not a formulafed baby, it’s breastfed baby, right? And then if even if they had been switched over to solids, they’re vegetarian. They’re being switched over to vegetables that don’t have B12. This this baby’s brain, a six-month old brain, looked like an 80-year-old Alzheimer’s patient. That’s what it looked like. It was brightening. And then after 5 months on daily B12 supplementation, it had filled out to the point of looking like an an average 40year-old, but it did not look like a six-month old baby’s brain. It should be completely packed to capacity inside that skull. So that baby will never be the person that it was meant to be. But if you reverse that, that timeline looks very similar to what we call normal aging. We see a baby’s brain just full to the brim of brain. Get in your 30s and 40s, it has atrophied down significantly. And then another 30, 40 years down the track, it’s another 30% or so. So, oh my goodness. You know, if you’re not getting proper nutrients for your brain, your brain will shrink over time, even if you started from a very strong base. And obviously, the stronger your base, the better you you’ll be long term, but no one’s going to last forever if you’re shrinking by 1% per year. B12 is only one small part of it. It’s a major part of it, but it’s only one piece because all of these nutrients are essential, and they only come from meat. So it’s B12, it’s D3, it’s DHA, it’s EPA, it’s choline, creatine, carnitine, it’s and yes, saturated fat and cholesterol. These are things that your brain has to have in order to properly maintain its uh structure and function. And so we go away from that and we and we exclude those fats and those nutrients. The brain will not be able to reliably function and and grow and heal and repair itself and will atrophy over time. And that’s what that’s what we’ll see. I have a patient well not he not a patient of mine but someone I’ve discussed for putting in our case series for reversing multiple sclerosis by by going you know ketogenic carnivore. And he wasn’t full 100% carnivore, but very very close, you know, strongly ketogenic, a couple leafy greens here and there. Um, but mostly meat. And he understood that that you you needed to give you you needed to stop the inflammatory process, but then you needed to uh replace these nutrients that the brain needed to regrow, specifically the myelin. And so he did all these things, renourished himself and suppressed his the damage from the MS and then actually regrrew the lesions. So the lesions actually shrink down. This is what we’re seeing all across the board. People with MS actually shrinking their lesions by going carnivore and optimizing those nutrients. is very important because if you’re not optimizing those nutrients and you don’t have the nutrients to to regrow the brain but typically a carnivore will do that unless you have a malabsorption issue in which case you need liver or um you know more more sort of um you might need B12 injections if you have pernicious anemia for example but you know most people don’t right and his neurologist actually told him at 55 that his brain had actually grown 10% volume wow and and then the neurologist went on to say like, “But that can’t happen.” That he’s like, “You literally just said it happened.” What do you mean it can’t happen? You just said it happened. Um, but that’s that’s the thing is that we don’t see that happening because most people are malnourished. You know, 80% of the calories consumed in America, Europe, Australia, and elsewhere are from plants. Most of those are carbs and sugar, but they’re still from plants. They don’t have any of those nutrients that I mentioned. And if the definition of a hyper carnivore is any animal that consumes over 70% of its um calories from meat, then the western world are hypervearians because they’re consuming over 80% of their calories from vegetables. So, oh, we need to go plant-based. No, we tried that. Everyone’s plant-based. We’re all vegetarian or hypervearian in fact. And that didn’t work because it doesn’t have essential nutrients. And even before you get to the whole plant toxin thing, it doesn’t have the essential nutrients. We cannot survive on these things if in in a whole food environment. You have to fortify. You’d have to supplement. And people, well, you could do that. That that’s aside. The point is we didn’t evolve like that. Our biology is not adapted for that. And so people trying to play two sides of the coin here. They’re saying, “Yes, this is how we evolved. We’re herbivores, but you can’t even get basic nutrition.” Yeah, but you could supplement. The hell are you talking about? you can’t hold those two thoughts at the same time. That’s double think. You know, these contra these um paradoxical sort of um conflicting thoughts that that that people are holding at the same time. So, I’m really glad that that you were able to get some of those nutrients for your mom and and I’m sure that it did help her. I I I think so. And and it it really bothers me when I hear doctors say, “Well, that you know, if if you complain about arthritic pain or any of those things, they say that’s a normal part of aging.” When I just even look at my grandparents, they they had a completely different lifestyle. They both lived much longer than my parents did. They both lived into their 90s. They worked out on the land every day. They were they were outside doing chores right into their 90s. They ate what they grew. Yeah, they did eat some vegetables, but they grew them themselves. You know, they they tilled that earth and and they they grew their own pigs and chickens and cows and drank the milk from the cows. Everything everything was from their own the work of their hands basically. They didn’t go to the store and buy this stuff. And and it I I totally get why they lived so much longer than my parents did. And and you know I I just don’t I don’t buy that it’s a normal part of aging anymore. I I I used to believe that but now I don’t. Yeah. No, it it doesn’t it doesn’t need to be. Just because it’s common doesn’t mean that it’s necess that it’s necessary. Um just because it is the norm because we see this more often than not. Yeah. doesn’t mean that it was always the norm and doesn’t mean that it has to be and that it’s normal in the sense that this is this is just a natural consequence of aging. It it isn’t and it doesn’t have to be. Um you know then people say well people just didn’t live as long your your grandparents lived into their were working into their 90s. You know my grandparents were were nearly 100. you know, their parents were actually reached 100 um born in the 1800s and um and and so on. You know, John Adams um you know, second president of the United States, born in the mid 1700s, died at 92. So, you know, Ben Franklin was 64 when the Revolutionary War started and he wasn’t like some decrepit old man in a wheelchair, right? And so people people don’t actually think they don’t actually pay attention to the world around them. Socrates was in his 70s and they had to kill him. He was and he was so sharp, you know, that they were just like, “No, he’s too too clever by half. We got to take him out.” So clearly no dementia or Alzheimer’s had set in even though he was in his 70s. um of Alexander the Great. In fact, his um his army, you know, 2500 years ago, his footmen were that conquered the known world and then some. They ranged between in their 20s to in their 60s, you know, with a with a 14 foot steel lance with a 5 foot long shaft on it stab a big heavy, you know, weight at the other end for balance, stabbing the hell out of people. And these were marching thousands and thousands of miles and hacking people to pieces, you know, had 50 to1 kill rates and things like that. Um, especially the guys in their 60s because they were the ones that that knew how to survive. He had Alexander the Great had a general who led one of his wings of the cavalry and back then they didn’t just sit back in a tent and send soldiers in to die. They led the charge. So Alexander would would lead um part of his cavalry and this other general would leave lead the other part of his cavalry. That general on a horse swinging the sword in the middle of the battle. 78 years old. Wow. Right. Full armor hacking away at people. And he’d been doing it for 60 years, 65 years. You know, this is you can’t just ride a horse through a park at 78 if you’re not in good health. And if everyone’s just dying in their 30s because their bodies are just falling apart and they’re all dying of diabetes and heart disease or something like that or they just died from other other causes earlier than that. So we just didn’t see all the diabetes and heart disease, you know, then then how does that exist? How do how do any of these historical figures exist? How did any of the the records with Herododus talking about how the Persians would live into their 70s and that the Ethiopians would live to beund freaking 20 eating only meat and milk. You know, these are these are historical records that exist and anyone can look them up and people just still latch on to that idea that everyone died at 30 and so we just didn’t see these diseases. Okay, let’s say that’s true, which of course it’s not. Then why the hell are people getting heart attacks in their 20s now? Why are 10-year-olds getting type 2 diabetes? You know, why is it why is it, you know, um 19year-olds getting strokes? You know, Dave Mack, um who has I’m sure you’ve come across he’s on a YouTube channel. He had a stroke at 19, you know. So, if this just if this just we’re just an aging population and so that’s why we’re seeing this because it just happens as a consequence. Then why is a 19-year-old having a stroke? Why is a 24y old having a heart attack? That’s nonsense. So people are are in denial, but they’re they’re it’s manufactured denial because it’s these institutions and corporations that that profit by the trillions each year to perpetuate this state of ill health and profit from it. Either selling us the poison that causing the illness in the first place with processed food and junk chemicals and random agrochemicals and things like that sprayed everywhere and affecting everyone. And then all the medications and um you know health care that has to be provided in order to treat that which is in the tens of trillions of dollars per year all told just five five chronic diseases estimated by Harvard School of Medicine um COPD cardiovascular disease diabetes type one and two uh mental health issues and cancer just those five so not even autoimmunity which is a major factor Alzheimer’s dementia etc. Um just those just those five um are estimated to cost indirect direct and indirect costs to people by 2030 is going to cost uh over $14 trillion per year worldwide. And that’s just those five diseases. So you’re talking about an industry that profits in the tens of trillions of dollars worldwide. And they are the ones pushing this propaganda and this fake garbage. Well, this always happened. Yeah. Well, this always happened. You know, we just we’re just getting better at diagnostics. Well, where were the statistics back 30 years ago, 40 years ago saying the exact opposite to this? And we knew what diabetes was. We know what diabetes was for for millennia, right? It’s described by Herodotus. And so why why are we or or not Herodotus but um Hypocrates? Why are we saying that this is some somehow a new disease? Um we actually see it in um in the Ebers papyrus thousands of years old medical document from ancient Egypt talking about that they had a lot of grain a lot of beer things like that. Their statues had pot bellies and gynecomastia for the guys and they described Alzheimer’s. They described diabetes uh as as something that they have to treat. They described the symptoms that someone would have right before they drop dead. And those symptoms are shockingly similar to what someone would get if they were dropping dead of a heart attack. Now, so these have existed. We didn’t just all of a sudden start noticing them. We’ve noticed these things thousands of years ago, but they were exceedingly rare until just a few decades ago and certainly a century ago. And so people are suffering needlessly. This is this is not necessary for people to suffer. And the the best thing about this is that all you have to do is try. So all these people say, “No, no, no. It’s genetic. This was always happening.” Fine. Well, then it’s not going to hurt you to just eat meat then. No, that causes heart disease. I thought it was genetic. I thought she couldn’t stop it. I thought there was no way to avoid it. Okay. So, if diet’s not going to be the solution, it’s also not going to be the the problem, is it? Because if it’s not the cause, you know, if it’s if changing your diet isn’t going to be the solution, then it’s obviously not the cause. It’s obviously not going to cause a problem. It’s not going to be an issue, right? Okay. So, maybe just change your diet then. Go back to doing what your grandparents were doing, what my grandparents were doing. Eat whole foods that you grew yourself. I mean, just start there. You know, prepare them in the ways that people have been doing for 10,000 years. Don’t just eat raw spinach. poach it in in milk, cheese or cream, which is all the recipes for including spinach was always cooked with dairy because the calcium from the dairy would leech out the oxalates and denature them and neutralize them so that they didn’t affect your body. If you look at nutritionists such as Adele Davis 100 years ago, she said exactly that. You never eat raw spinach. You always cook it with some sort of dairy so the calcium leeches out the oxalates. We’ve known this for hundreds of years. And just now we’re saying, “No, everybody’s an herbivore. We need to eat raw. We know we don’t need eat raw.” We’ve known that for 10,000 years. That was the only reason we started eating plants was because we were able to figure out how to prepare them in in their less toxic forms and obviously no glyphosates and weird chemicals and things like that that we’ve been adding. And that’s a bad I mean glyphosate’s just the tip of the iceberg. We have patented over a million different novel chemicals that have never existed in nature since the 1970s. And these are mostly in the agrochemical agricultural industry, the food industry and the beauty uh makeup industry and things like that, fragrances and and things like that. Things you apply to your body or consume. So not good. And there’s no there’s no system in place where you have to prove that a new substance or food is safe for human consumption before you put it into the food uh food um you know food system. But you have to spend decades fighting to get this stuff taken out like trans fats which were introduced by Proctor and Gamble and Krisco in 1911. And we’ve we’ve had evidence of this since the 1990s that this causes atherosclerosis and and heart disease and and death. And yet it wasn’t even u banned until 2020, right? I mean I I I learned that you know in the ‘9s my organic my organic chemistry professor was talking about he had a heart attack and it was linked to trans fats and how looking at it biochemically. This is how this affected this and our body just don’t know how to deal with this because they don’t exist in nature. trans fats and they start getting deposited in your arteries just like um plant steriles, those plant cholesterols have been shown to collect be deposited and collected in our arteries as well. And then all of a sudden people are getting heart attacks and now they cut it out. So but but it took 25 years from that point to then get this stuff the hell out of the food system. So it’s really easy to get something in the food system. It’s almost impossible to get it out. And that’s exactly the opposite. It should be extremely hard to get it in the food system and very easy to get it out if it’s been shown to cause harm. Um, sorry I went on a bit of a rant there, but I’ll I’ll leave. No, it it just it reminded me of something though. I I read recently that we’re the only mammals who are smart enough to create our own food out of nothing, but stupid enough to eat it. Yeah. Yeah. And and yeah, the only only animals smart enough to make our own foods, the only ones dumb enough to eat it. It’s totally true. Exactly. Exactly. And then and then our animals that we force feed these things because they don’t have any other option. And then and they’re getting the same diseases we’re getting. And you look into the the um new veterinarians that are that are coming out of training, what do they say? They say, “No, that’s just that’s just, you know, that’s just the breeders. They’re just all intensive breedings, puppy mills, and things like that.” Golden Retrievers are pure breed. It’s not it doesn’t get more inbred than that. And it doesn’t get more inbred than a pug or a golden retriever, you know? I mean, that’s that’s that’s intensive inbreeding in order to get um that that specific line. And yet the the life expectancy of a golden retriever in America in the 1970s when they’re being fed very different things, weren’t being they’re fed like table scraps and other sorts of things and not a bunch of packaged food. um predominantly the life expectancy on average was about 17 years and now it’s I know it’s going down way down it’s cut in half you know and now they’re getting all these diseases they were getting they’re getting diabetes they’re getting uh cancers they’re getting autoimmunity you know they’re getting I mean people are injecting insulin into their dogs and cats now um when when was that a thing you know do do you know a single human being that had to inject insulin into their cat when you were a child growing up? No, no, never. I didn’t either, you know, and so No, I feed my dogs carnivore now. Yeah. Yeah, that’s true. And Yeah. But that’s the thing, like vets now, I’ve spoken to a couple younger vets, older vets, a lot of them get this and they’re like, “No, no, no, no. This this something’s changing and um and they’re seeing the the corporate capture of the pet food industry into the veterary medicine. They’re actually changing the curriculum and they’re changing what’s what’s being taught. And what they’re being taught is that this is intensive breeding. It’s genetic when in fact it’s poisonous food that they’re being fed. And no, no, no, you can’t have a dog just eat normal meat. That’s they’re not set up for that anymore. They’ve been engineered to be on puppy food. Like the hell they have that I mean that’s just so ridiculous. And these are the same predatory um companies because the majority of of pet food companies or pet food brands are owned by the Mars Corporation like Mars Bars and the processed junk food for humans too. They’re just making junk food for for animals as well. And they’re again perpetuating this propaganda that all this disease and illness is is something else besides the poison that they’re feeding them. That’s the same thing that we’re being sold to. Yeah. Yeah. No. Exactly. Exactly. You know, my dogs are doing really well eating meat. Yeah. Very good. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I mean, that’s the thing, too. I mean, try it. I mean, people, oh, that’s Try it. Try for a month. Feed your dog meat. See what happens. They’ll never be healthier. Um, dogs don’t need a lot of fat. So, you you can do well with lean meats and organs and things like that. Same with cats and um, you know, raw meat being better. Try it. See what happens. Um, you’ll see. I mean they they’ll massively improve their health and you will massively massively improve your health. You have all these people millions now around the world who have done this not only lost weight and they oh well you lost weight that’s why your health got better. No, people are coming off medication, they’re dropping their blood pressure, they’re getting rid of diabetes before they lose the weight. And there are plenty of diabetics that have no weight issues, right? So, um, you know, that’s not that’s not a very clever insight. And so, you have these issues, you’re on these medications, you have autoimmunity, and people are saying, “Hey, I’ I’ve reversed my autoimmunity. Try it. See what happens. If we’re wrong, you’ll find out real quick. Problem won’t go away, will it?” And If meat is causing the diabetes, well, it definitely won’t go away, will it? But um but it does go away largely for the majority of these diseases. Well, this is this is what I hope for people that are in my age group because I I women especially women in my age group, we were indoctrinated to do lowfat. We were shamed for eating things like butter, having too much fat. you know, you you you got the the lean chicken breast, you took the skin off, you you bought the the fat-ree margarine if you you know, you needed to have something. I mean, it it was such a big thing. And I I just really want women that are I mean, I’m I’m I’m 67. I’m not on any medications. I I want other women that are my age to know that that is a possible way to live. And and and I I I eat the fattiest meat I can find, you know? I I I look in the store and I’m like, I want that one. You know, the the thicker the fat cap, the the more I want it. And and that’s I just my my life has just changed so much doing that. Yeah. Good. Well, I mean, and that’s a that’s a very important point as well. I mean, so you come you’ve come off Were you on med a lot of medication before and you came off of them or you just hadn’t gone on medications in the first place? I hadn’t. Well, I was I I was pre-diabetic, but I wasn’t on any medication yet. Um, I had planter fasciitis. Uh, I’m, you know, I was I was getting to the point where I could see mobility was going to be an issue because the moment I don’t know if you you probably haven’t, but for people who have had planter fasciitis, the most pain is when you get out of bed in the morning and and you start your day hardly being able to stand up and it just goes downhill from there. And and so to be rid of that, it just, you know, and and that didn’t go away on keto. That actually went away on carnivore. Uh I still had it when I was keto. Uh and to have that be gone. I mean, you know, I I I do a morning walk, I do an evening walk. I do have some I do have arthritis in my knee. I was supposed to have knee surgery, which which which I cancelled um when my turn came up last year. In Canada, we have a long waiting list. Um, but I did cancel it. Uh, you know, and and I eat a an ungodly amount of sardines because I really feel that they help my knee. I I you know, I believe that. And uh I just I I just feel better than I ever did when I was 20, 30, 40. It’s like it feels like a miracle. It really does. And and so I’m just so happy to be able to sit here and tell other people that are my age that it’s not going downhill right now. It it’s it’s really really good. And please try this. Try it for 30 days, 60 days, you know, give it a fair shot. What have you got to lose? Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor, Carnivore Bar. I don’t promote many products because honestly, all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat. 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He started doing this because his diabetic um ampute patients were able to start reversing their diabetes and actually not need as extensive of of amputations if or or any amputations at all because they’re actually able to reverse this disease which is major major. I mean how many have have part of your body cut off because it’s so damaged and diseased from the damage to the that that sugar does to your your blood vessels? It it’s it’s a very very very serious issue and can cause very serious disability. Oh well, put on a prosthetic. You put on a prosthetic. You tell us how that works. You know, it’s not it’s not that easy for people to do and it’s it’s not nice to have to lose a limb like that. Um it’s really hard. It’s very difficult. It makes your life a lot more difficult as well. And and that’s just I mean that’s the canary in the coal mine. And it means that that everything else is going in a very very bad direction. So being able to reverse that which no one thought was possible is is massive and it it causes it provides so much benefit to people’s lives which is the true role of a doctor. Now not just handing out drugs which are mostly useless. Some of these things are amazing and I still use them but most of them are garbage. Most of them are just treating symptoms that don’t have to exist if you just don’t eat the wrong thing. And and and Dr. found that too is that he he would get his patients and he was in a you know public health care system here in Australia as well and he would just say like okay good look you you qualify for this you know joint replacement X but here here’s your date we got you on the list but until then you are on this diet that’s what you’re doing to get ready for this surgery and a lot of them would do it and they’d be very serious about it and he said that quite often not always but quite often he would get and he was using more ketogenic sort of very animal-based, you know, ketogenic approach that that quite often people would call him, you know, a month or two before the surgery and just say, “Hey, I I I don’t think I need the surgery anymore. I think I want to cancel my my surgery because my my knees just feel so much better. I just I don’t even think I need it anymore.” Like, okay, well, great. You know, that that’s good to hear. You know, let me know if you need if you need anything down the road. That’s fine. Um, which is great. And you you’d think that the Australian government would be thrilled with that because it’s saving them hundreds of thousands of dollars and really millions of dollars per surgeon uh to do I mean you know the average uh hip replacement in America is sort of between you know 60 and $75,000 roughly in Australian dollars you know that’s that’s about 100 to $130,000 or so. So, I mean that’s that’s a significant amount of money, you know, per joint. And, you know, so if you’re if you’re making it so that 10 people only don’t need to get surgery that year, you’ve saved the system a million dollars. And if you’re doing that with hundreds of people, if people are doing this all across the system, I mean, that’s saving tens of millions of dollars. and and all the different health issues, not just joint replacements, you’re talking hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars that are being saved. And since most healthare systems are are taxed at the point of breaking, um that’s a really important thing. And so this is something that that most um healthcare industries and you know besides you know um the ones that that get paid for all this sort of stuff but like the people paying for it the insurance companies the people the governments that that have socialized healthcare they should really be on top of this. Um, the only thing I think that they aren’t is is maybe they’re getting kickbacks from from the drug companies and things like that to keep the system in place, you know, and not push push this forward. Or maybe it’s just too early and people just aren’t aren’t aware that you can have such a dramatic uh effect. But that’s amazing that you were able to cancel your knee replacement, which you probably had to sign up for back before you started Atkins and have been waiting for the waiting. I mean, you know, we have a a social system here in Canada where it’s universally paid for supposedly, but the waiting list, I mean, yeah, pe people die on these waiting lists. It’s just insane. Uh, but in a way, having the long waiting list gave me time to, you know, to to deal with the pain and and uh the inflammation. And I mean, it is possible. It is possible to I if if you’re not in extreme pain, which I stopped being in extreme pain then um and and I actually had a conversation with with Dr. Baker about that. Um I was seated next to him uh on the bus going to see a regenerative farm uh in Gatlinburg. Yeah. I was at this was at Meatstock a couple of years ago and and I had asked him I had asked him about uh the knee pain and and whether or not surgery was still needed if I had because I was still on the waiting list and I asked him you know do I still need the surgery if I’m not in in all this great pain anymore and he’s like well that’s really the only reason for getting the surgery. Yeah. So that’s the I decided to cancel it. Yeah. Well that’s good. Yeah. I mean that that’s the main indication is that it hurts and and you can’t walk and it’s disrupting disrupting your life, you know, and so I mean sometimes it feels a little stiff in the morning if I’ve done too much the day before, but it’s not the same as it was before where it was like seven eight out of 10 in pain. Now I I mean I’m I’m hiking, I’m walking, I’m doing all those things. Feel a little stiff. I can live with that. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean Yeah. the stiffness is um is well obviously it’s better than it was but you know if it’s if it’s not if it’s not disrupting your daily life and it’s not a huge burden of issue that um to where you you’re not it’s not preventing you from doing anything you want to do then absolutely it’s not something you’d want to do surgery on it’s um it’s a big surgery you it’s a long recovery I know um it’s it’s quite traumatic I don’t know if people have seen videos of that I don’t know if you’ve seen videos of that but you’re using. I deliberately did not. Yeah, I don’t want to see those videos. And and and there’s also a risk for trigger, you know, like if you if if you have some dementia and Alzheimer’s history in your family, going under anesthetic provides some risk to that, too. And I I just would rather not. Um, yeah, if I I mean, if I need it in 10 years or 15 years, at least I’ve put it off long enough to have, you know, have some good times now in my life. Yeah. Well, and and and that’s the thing because they they do wear out. I mean, you know, the metal sort of um are usually okay, but there’s there’s a there’s other pieces in there that that would have to be replaced. They only last like, you know, 15 years, maybe 20. Um and then you’d have to sort of get those swapped out. It’s not as extensive a surgery necessarily the next time around, but it’s still a big surgery. And um so you’re putting that off as long as you can while you’re still healthy enough to get the surgery is uh is always a good idea. And obviously avoiding surgery whenever possible is always the best idea. Um but yeah, so yeah. So the um yeah, the need and the need one again is I mean just think about you know like a cabinet maker making like cabinet joins with power tools basically. You’re you’re doing some serious work there. And um so if you don’t need to do that just just just don’t. Um, yeah, but you know, for some people it’s it’s really a massive improvement. But again, if you get that same improvement just from dietary changes, even though it’s not going to regrow the cartilage, it’s just you don’t have all the pain, it’s it’s really the the same result in the end. Yeah, I I I I agree. I agree. I I plan to avoid whatever surgeries I can. Yeah, definitely. Um, okay. So, so is that so what was the main point of of starting your YouTube channel? It was quite big now. I think you’re approaching 150,000 which is great. What was the the main impetus to start the YouTube channel? What’s what’s your sort of goal with that? Well, I had started uh just a small website of recipes uh and and and that was just born out of uh I was having some weight loss success and people were asking me for different recipes. I was on some online bulletin boards for low carb in keto. And so I started accumulating some some recipes on a website that I made and I had people I mean I I knew about YouTube but I I just I didn’t ever see myself as being on YouTube and I had people encouraging me well why don’t you you know show us how to make those recipes. It’s, you know, cuz some people like to be shown rather than just read the instructions. And and I had a couple of people in particular that kept pushing me to do it. And and I just felt, well, you know, who who wants to watch a middle-aged person who’s still overweight and making recipes on YouTube and, you know, that was kind of my attitude about it. But I find during COVID, it was actually COVID that pushed the decision because I found I was working from home. I had my mom there. We were in isolation and uh that’s when I started. So I I thought okay let this might be a good time to start the YouTube channel. I’ you know been thinking about it and um it it it apparently there are people that want to watch someone like me, someone their own age. There’s a lot I mean my audience is a lot of women my age um and and men too and and there’s a lot of women who are also cooking for others in their family. Uh they’re cooking for a spouse who won’t go keto or carnivore but you know they know that their spouse needs to uh heal some illnesses themselves, needs to be on a better path. I know so many women who are, you know, uh, slowly moving their spouse over to, uh, if not keto carnivore as well, but doing it slowly through, you know, making recipes that are transitional, shall we say. um you know but getting that proper human diet element that whole foods element into their daily cooking so that everybody in the family gets healthier and when people tell me things well I can’t you know I don’t want to cook two different meals or I have to have those foods for the kids you know I used to go okay I guess I I suppose I get that but now I’m thinking really do you want to feed your kids those those toxic seed oils do you want to feed your your your husband or your those foods that got you so sick in the first place. Do you want them to be eating that? Yeah. And I would think when you think about it, the answer to that has to be no. And that maybe the whole family move toward, you know, if not 100% like gradually move toward that. It doesn’t have to be done all in one week. It it took me a few years to get to carnivore. Mhm. I mean, it takes what it takes and and you know, make a make a start. Make a start by by getting the junk out of your house. Yeah. And and and just moving in that direction is Yeah. is going to have health improvements. I mean, I certainly found a massive improvement just from cutting out veget already being ketogenic, not eating carbs, never eating junk food. I never ate junk food. I never even drank during the rugby season. So, there’d be years at a time that between drinks. And so the the the tired lie that like, oh, the only reason you you benefit from carnivore is because you cut out junk food. Like I never ate junk food. I never even drank. Guarantee you they drink a hell of a lot more than I do or ever did. And um and no, no, it was the greens. The greens did it. The greens were toxic to me. And I cut those out. I had massive improvements. Um, but just just cutting out all that stuff and just getting up to eating meat and greens is gonna have a massive impact on your health. I mean, I was always very healthy. I played professional sports for years. I was always at the top of my game athletically and academically. Um, but when I got rid of everything, it I was just it was like ascended to a new state of consciousness. It was insane the difference that it made. But you can massively improve from wherever you are just by going in that direction. You know, even small changes, every every little small change uh helps and and leads to bigger changes and and eventually eventually you can get there. Um you know, if if if if health if optimal health is is what you’re after, you know, go down that path. And you know, I I I really I hear a lot about people um you know, it’s not about how long you live. I mean, I if I live to 100, but my last 20 years is spent laying in a nursing home eating mystery meat. I don’t want that. I I I honestly don’t. I’d rather I’d rather just drop dead out in my garden doing what I love doing, being outside and and you know, grounding with the earth. and um growing flowers. I’d rather I I would rather they find me there than in my bed in the nursing home. Yeah. You know, that’s that’s really what it’s about. Yeah, definitely. And and by being active and being outside and doing those healthy things, you’re much less likely to be uh you know, to you know, need a nursing home uh in Exactly. I mean, I’ve seen people come out of nursing homes. There’s um there people that are actually running nursing homes, bringing people out. I saw that show you did with that guy who owns the nursing homes. I was just blown away by that. Yeah, it’s amazing. And so, you know, people, you know, getting people better and getting them out of nursing home and getting them home. And I I’ve seen this in other other areas as well. I’ve had u friends, you know, colleagues of mine here in Australia who told me that they’ve had patients, you know, in geriatric patients who um have have been able to do that as well and come out of nursing homes. One gentleman was 87. I’ve told this story before, but for people haven’t heard it, he was 87 years old and basically checked himself into a nursing home because he couldn’t care for himself at home anymore. His family couldn’t take care of him either. And so he in his own words basically checked into a nursing home basically to die and just wait for death. And which is a pretty depressing sort of way to look at things, but that’s sort of what you’re doing at that point. Like I can’t take care of myself. I just going to have to just run out the clock here. And um because obviously things are going downhill and as a he came across uh the carnivore videos. I think he came across some of mine as well. And he just said, “Okay, I’m going to try this as sort of his last ditch effort to sort of get his life back.” And within three months, he was not only back home living independently, but he was working out, lifting weights three days a week, swimming twice a week, and off all medications. And he had been on a lot, and he actually had didn’t need them anymore. So, massive improvements of anybody at any point from anywhere you’re starting, you can get better. You know, maybe there is such thing as damage done. You can’t get back to where you would be optimally if you started this much earlier, but it will still improve you from where you are. And again, you do it for 90 days and it doesn’t help. Fine. Go back to doing what you’re doing. Nothing you haven’t lost. You can have your old life back anytime. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And so, and so the videos you’re doing now, is it is it mostly recipes or do you do other things as well? Um, it’s it’s mostly cooking. I I I would say uh you know 80% cooking. I sometimes will have guests on my channel to have conversations just like we’re having. I mean I mean you’ve you’ve been there before too and um you know I’ve had uh yeah just just a variety of guests. But mo most of what I do is is cooking. Uh and I do a weekly live stream where we just pick a topic. Um like tonight’s live stream uh before before I met with you here uh was about ketones and and so we just pick a topic, we talk about it, what is it? Uh little bit of education and then you know there’s live Q&A and and I’m I am not a professional uh of any kind like I’m I’m not a doctor. I don’t have medical training. I I so I do a lot of well if you want more information about that question that you’ve just asked me you know go go to Dr. Chaffy or go to Dr. boss or or you know, I’m I’m directing people to to to the professionals, but I I just think I do it because I there’s a lot of people that are my age having trouble relating to some of the the younger YouTubers, but but they like to come and watch me because they can relate to me and we learn new things together and and I think I think that’s important too to have that social we you know, we have some social interaction there. So yeah. Well, definitely. I mean, having a sense of a community is really important, too. I mean, that’s that’s actually a major a major issue for people I talk about. They say, “Why I just feel I feel so isolated. So many people are telling me I’m doing something wrong. I just I just I can’t sort of fight against that.” And so that’s why I encourage people to get involved in a community. Immerse yourself in these videos because you if you have a strong reason why you’re doing something, then you can weather that storm a lot easier. or or it doesn’t even become a storm. It’s just you don’t even Yeah. You don’t even notice it anymore. Man, I don’t care. I mean, the amount of people that have told me I’m doing something wrong and I’m going to get some sort of problem or blah blah blah or I’m killing people and these sorts of things. I see the direct evidence to the contrary. It just doesn’t it doesn’t hold any water for me when I’m seeing my patients, you know, by the hundreds and now in the thousands that of my direct patients in my clinic in my office and I’m seeing their blood work and I’m seeing their their um you know symptoms and and issues dissolve and their blood markers improve across the board in ways that are not thought to be possible. um shrink shrinking lesions on MRI for MS patients. You know, I mean, people say, “Oh, you’re gonna hurt.” I I know that I’m not I I have I have all the evidence that I need to know that I’m not. And so, I’m happy to be out there on my own just as an island in the storm. It’s it’s not a storm to me. It doesn’t bother me. You know, a lighthouse in the middle of a gale, it’s like it’s doesn’t care. a mountain in the middle of a hurricane doesn’t care because it’s it’s in such solid foundation, it’s not going anywhere. There’s nothing that you can do to affect that that position. Um wind is a pretty weak fluid as it turns out. And so if you have a solid foundation, all that all those blow hards just blow right past you. Yeah. Yeah. And and people people need they need the doctors like you to to be providing this information and they also need the peers, you know, like myself and and the others to show we’re real average normal everyday people that are doing this because we’ve got these doctors who are behind us and backing us up and and and I think it’s a really powerful combination. Yeah. Well, definitely. And this is why I always encourage people to to start a YouTube channel, start an Instagram page, do something, start making videos, just talking about your own experiences. I mean, that it’s so powerful. There’s so many people that have done that. Just saying, “Hey, this is what I’m doing. You don’t need to do it, but this is what I’ve done and this is the effects that I’m getting and this is why I’m doing it.” Things like that. Those channels have huge impact. And um like like Carnivore Ray, you know, he’s he’s a really nice guy and he’s, you know, changed his life by doing this. That’s all he did. He just say, “Hey, this is what I’m doing. You don’t have to do it, but this is what I’m doing and this this is what I’m seeing.” And that’s hugely impactful. His his channel grew like crazy. And and the reason is is because that speaks to people in a very specific way that another channel may not. And you know, and when I started, I thought that, you know, was probably already saturated with things. People were already saying things that I I wanted to get out there. maybe not everything in the exact way that I thought should be said, but basically the the basic points were out there and that that’s all I was worried about was just getting that information out to people. I wasn’t trying to start a channel. I wasn’t trying to do that was not trying to make this my job. It’s not my job. I don’t want it to be my job. Um it’s it’s just it’s just about getting information out there and and getting this out to as many people as possible. And I thought, well, maybe that’s already been done, but like, uh, well, there’s there’s some things that I sort of want to say, so maybe I’ll I’ll say those things. And I’m, you know, I I started being very glad that I did because I I saw a lot of comments saying, hey, you know, I’ve seen similar sort of things, but the way that you said this, it made really sense to me, made sense to me for the first time, and now I’ve tried it and I’m feeling amazing. So was like, okay, I think there’s something there. Because you can say the exact same information as somebody else or 50 other people, but you say it in your own unique expression and that that may resonate with people. And so that’s why I try to encourage as many people as possible to make channels and and speak using their voice and and yes, it might be very similar information, but it’s important to a reiterate that b get a lot more signal and noise out there that this is actually indeed working for people and b saying it in unique individual ways that might resonate with different audiences so that they can can come to this as well. So I think that’s that’s really good to do. Yeah. And it’s exactly the same with cooking because I’ve had people request things and I’m like, well, there’s like a hundred other YouTubers who have already made that and they will say, but I want to see you make it and and and it doesn’t it doesn’t matter that it’s the same because we all have a different way to present it, uh a different way to explain it. Um I’ve had people tell me, I’ve ne you know, my mother never taught me how to cook. like we we we only ever have bought food from a store that we put in the microwave. We we we don’t I I just don’t know how to cook. I’ve had people say, “I I grew up without a mother and and and I don’t know how to cook and I really love watching you and and if I’m a surrogate aunt or grandmother or mother to somebody, I that makes me feel good actually. I I I love to show in the kitchen how simple it is to to make a meal.” Whoops. I got I got my dog barking now. I’m just going to That’s okay. Lose the door there. Okay. All right. Yeah. Sorry about that. No, it’s okay. No, I I um that’s that’s something I’ve seen, too. Um I had a friend of mine was they’re interested in carnivore. They saw how well it was working for me and I said, “Well, why don’t you just try it?” And he says like, “Well, I just I just don’t know how. I I don’t know how to shop. I don’t know how to buy that stuff.” I was like, “Just buy meat. Like, it couldn’t be simpler. just just buying meat. I said, “I I don’t know how I don’t I don’t know how to do that.” And it I I eventually figured out what the hell they were saying, which was the same thing. They they’d grown up on processed food and takeaway and all these sorts of things. Their parents hadn’t cooked. They never gone grocery shopping. And they every meal that they had was either from a restaurant or Uber Eats, every single one. And so that that is just people’s reality sometimes. and and so it you have you have to sort of you know see people doing things and learn how to do it and yes have someone take you to the grocery store and say well this is what I look for and this is what this is how you check prices and this is how you look for good quality and that sort of stuff and that’s important because um this is what Dr. Robert Lustig spoke about was that the processed food industry made these packaged ready meals that they could massroduce and and provide the same, you know, chicken dinner with, you know, gravy and and mashed potatoes and veggies for cheaper. Then you could buy those individual ingredients and make it yourself. And it’s, you know, 15 minutes in the oven, 2 minutes in the microwave versus 3 hours slaving over a hot stove. I know. You know. Yeah. So, it’s saving you 3 hours and it’s saving you money, too. And um and so people all of a sudden started turning to that. And so, you had an entire generation raised in the 80s. My generation who never grew up watching their parents cook. Thankfully, my mom really enjoyed cooking. She felt that was an expression of love for her family. She could make these beautiful, wonderful meals from scratch for her family and and give us healthy, good food. And thank God for that. And that’s exactly what she did. in that has has lasted us our whole life and and given us those those skills and information and also the idea that food matters, that food is important for health and you know and so now I always always cooked when I was out of the house. I I almost never um got a I almost never went to restaurants even. I certainly never got packaged meals ever. I just I just ate meat and and you know make a salad or something like that. you’re supposed to have a stupid salad and um but it was always it was always making these things and then you know my generation starting to have kids and then they’ve never cooked and learn to cook so they’re not cooking it’s like a generation it is yeah it you know and and it’s surprising me when I do people want to see what you buy at the store and I was like no they don’t they don’t want to see what I buy at the store but they do want to see what I buy at the store. It’s amazing how popular doing a video like here’s what I bought at Costco today. Yeah. People go crazy over it because they haven’t been taught how to do that. Yeah. They don’t know what they’re looking for. They don’t know what cuts of meat to get. They don’t know what should the price be per pound and things like that. It’s it’s it’s it is something that we’re not somehow not teaching our kids. So, I I’m I’m all four of my kids cook from scratch, which I’m really grateful for. And and I think that it if if you have kids and and you do nothing else, take them grocery shopping with you and teach them what the what the foods are for and and how they’re prepared. Um, you know, just a little bit goes a long way. They should know how to cook eggs and, you know, basic things for sure before they ever go to college or or or anything like that. Um it it just really will go a long way to their health. Yeah, definitely. Absolutely. And you know, if they haven’t had that experience and um they can go to your channel and and see they can go and and cooking as well. Yeah, good. All right. Well, yeah, thank you so much for that. That was that was that was really inspiring and very very um well it was just very meaningful and I really appreciate you sharing your story and I hope that that um you know resonates with a lot of people as I’m sure it will and and I give them the um you know the the encouragement that they need to try to come from maybe a similar position that you were in and say okay well maybe maybe this will work for me because because it’s worked for her. So thank you so much for sharing. I really appreciate that. Oh, you are welcome. It’s my pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for uh giving me this opportunity to tell a little bit about my story and why why I’m why I’m on YouTube when you know I actually am an accountant. So yeah, just just like just like you being a doctor um on YouTube. So yeah, exactly. All right. Well, thank you so much and it was absolute pleasure. All right. Yeah. All right. All right. Talk to you again soon. Absolutely. And thank you all for joining. It’s been an absolute pleasure. Hopefully you guys like that. Uh please do like, share, and comment. And please do check out Anita Breeze over at KetogenicWoman. And uh are there any other links or websites that you have that people should go to? You know, the YouTube is the main one. Uh I’ve tried other social media, but um you know, at my age, uh I I’m not so great on, you know, the Tik Tok and Instagram. So YouTube, come come and see me on YouTube. Sort of simpler just to stick to one and just have that be your main focus as well. So yeah, that’s not too bad. And uh but yeah, so please people do check uh her out at ketogenicwoman. I’ve also started a member a membership group on YouTube where you can get sort of members only videos, early release videos and uh members only live Q&A sessions as well. So please check that out and uh and join if that’s something that would interest you. Thank you all very much and we’ll see you next time. 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